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Aaron Klingensmith's avatar

Love to follow along with your thinking on this subject! It inspired some of my own thoughts. None of what I'm about to write is a criticism, but rather where your words took my mind:

Maybe this is an oversimplification, but it feels like the argument here is essentially: discussing an object's quality without context is pointless. The reason why both of those burgers are "quality" is because they're "quality" in their respective contexts (and in this case their contexts often seem based on capital: we can think of each of those burgers as "quality" at their various price points). Similarly, the reason why the brands you mentioned (J Crew, Brooks Brothers, etc) suffered in their reputation for quality is because of the disconnect between their capital and their products. A lot of the discussion around those brands and their decline in quality seemed to do with the fact that there were better options at their price points. (In the same way that if In-N-Out started charging $14 for a burger, despite changing nothing else, their business would crater.)

Which leads me to two questions:

(1) Perhaps more difficult--do I actually believe this? The Old Navy vs Gap vs Banana Republic context seems like, in some ways, it would mirror the burger situation: each providing articles of clothes that attempt to be the highest quality for their various price points. And yet emotionally I don't think of those three as equally quality items. Or to match your language, I have a really difficult time ascribing the word "quality" to them "without hesitation" (but arguably I should). I think part of that challenge has to do with:

(2) Where, in all of this, does the idea of a platonic ideal exist? Is it even a relevant avenue of discussion? I'm not sure. But I do think it's part of the reason Old Navy vs Gap vs Banana Republic seems challenging: if I wanted to buy a blazer, there is, in my mind, some ideal form of what a blazer is. As a brand or designer moves closer to that form, I view them to be of higher quality. This is done in a way that ignores the context of your matrix. I don't care that a blazer from Old Navy might be an incredible blazer at it's price point, if it's nylon I am going to deem it low quality--the further away a blazer is from my ideal blazer, the lower quality I perceive it having.

Also, somewhere else swirling around this is a discussion of parts vs whole. Your burger example struck a chord with me because it immediately made me think of all of the professional chefs I've seen flatly state that the best cheese for a burger is American cheese (often citing both it's taste but more importantly it's ability to melt properly). I'm curious from their perspective, would they describe the first, more luxurious burger, as a "good burger"? Is there a difference between "a burger that tastes good" and a "good burger"? Does the inclusion of the quality parts create a quality whole? Or is there a point where the inclusion of such high-quality pieces begins to actually change the item into something else? Maybe this is again an issue of language--that to describe both objects as "cheeseburgers" actually shows another gap, where we reduce "cheeseburger" to mean "a beef patty, topped with cheese, between bread" and it turns out that's a wildly large umbrella in which incomparable objects are falling under.

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